Monadnock Regional School District

                School Board/Budget Committee Joint Meeting

                           MRMS/HS Library, Swanzey, NH

                                       January 3, 2008

 

 

Present Budget Committee: P. Stulsatz, C. Lothrop, E.Stanley, P. Richmond, J. Gomarlo, J. Ells, A. Weber, W. Lechlider, T. Parker, N. Dion, J. Tommila, N. Moriarty, D. Ott, G. Trembley, J. Kenyon and R. Smith.

Administration Present: K. Dassau, Superintendent, K. Chambers, Business Manager, Director of Technology, C. Boyle and D. Hodgdon, Assistant Superintendent.

 

J. Ells opened the meeting at 7:05 PM. N. Moriarty called for a point of order. He commented that the December 11, 2007 Meeting was not a Budget Committee Meeting so no votes should have been taken. P. Stuhlsatz does believe that it was a meeting and that 62% of the members voted to remove N. Moriarty as chair. N. Moriarty said that it was not a Budget Committee Meeting. It was called a joint meeting with the School Board. J. Ells commented that N. Moriarty has filed a suit in the Superior Court, which meant he accepted what happened. J. Ells is the elected Chair until the court rules otherwise. This committee removed you. He commented that this is not good for the district. N. Moriarty commented that this is not debatable. N. Moriarty commented that to challenge the Chair is not debatable. He commented that he does not accept his authority. J. Gomarlo asked where the committee would go now. P. Stuhlsatz asked for a copy of the Dec. 11, 2007 Minutes. E.Stanley commented that whatever you find will be challenged. MOTION: E. Stanley MOVED to postpone the January 3, 2008 Budget Committee Meeting until after the Court Hearing on Jan. 8, 2008. SECOND: R.Smith. DISCUSSION: N. Moriarty would withdraw his challenge pending the vote on the motion. J. Kenyon commented that even if you have the court hearing does not mean that there would be a ruling. We could be waiting until the dates that are really important such as the Public Hearing and the Deliberative Session. Postponing the meeting would be giving into N. Moriarty. If we continue with the meeting and N.Moriarty happens to win will every thing we did to night count. N. Moriarty commented that he does not feel that anything on this agenda could not be done at the Public Hearing. Closing this meeting is meaningless. K. Chambers commented that we could not go to the Public Hearing without a number from the Budget Committee. We have a proposal from the School Board that went to the Budget Committee. K. Dassau explained that the issue is the court case pending. The interpretation of what happened. Two-thirds of the committee can set an agenda and any other option. He would assure that people would challenge that. C. Lothrop would like to continue the meeting. J. Ells read one of Roberts Rules, which he explained that another motion could be made. Once that is done we have to revote. We first need to consider the motion at hand. N. Moriarty said to move the question. J. Gomarlo would make a motion to reconsider the motion to remove N. Moriarty as Chair. R. Smith reported that J.Gomarlo had emailed J. Ells and asked him if it would be helpful to place this issue on the agenda. The motion at hand is to postpone the January 3, 2008 Budget Committee Meeting until after the Court Hearing on Jan. 8, 2008. VOTE: 7.880/8.120/0/0/. Motion fails. N. Moriarty would challenge the Chair on who is sitting in the chair position. It is not debatable. J. Ells read that there is a motion on the floor to challenge his seat. Lack of a SECOND. P. Richmond questioned the motion because J.Ells is the chair. K. Dassau commented that there is always the Vice Chair to run the meeting. He said that the committee is the governing body and can adopt additional items tonight. MOTION: to not recognize J. Ells as the Budget Committee Chair. VOTE: 8.952/7.048/0/0. Motion fails. J. Ells commented that we have to have a Chair. MOTION: to recognize N. Moriarty as the Budget Committee Chair. VOTE: 8.952/7.048/0/0. Motion passes.

 

1.      Approval of the December 10, 2007 Meeting Minutes: MOTION: R. Smith MOVED to accept the December 10, 2007 Minutes as presented. SECOND: A. Weber. VOTE: 11.837/0/4.163/0.  Motion passes. 

 

2.  Approval of the December 11, 2007 Meeting Minutes: MOTION: R. Smith MOVED to accept the December 11, 2007 Minutes as presented. SECOND: J. Kenyon. DISCUSSION: R. Smith amend the minutes to add under section 3 of the Dec. 11, 2007 Minutes in the section that contains the motion to remove N. Moriarty. E. Stanley asked Dr. Dassau whether this was legal and what should he do. Dr. Dassau told him there was a motion on the floor. C. Dreyfuss spoke to the legality of the issue stating as chair of the School Board she could be removed at any time and that it was legal to do and that it had been done in the past. R.Smith commented that these minutes are absent and a big part of the discussion. J. Gomarlo said that her motion was to depose of N. Moriarty as Chair of the Budget Committee and put in E. Stanley as chair not “dispose”. J. Fortson explained that the motion on the teacher’s contract was to be one in good faith. C. Dreyfuss explained that she  was at the meeting and would disagree with R.Smith’s amendment to the minutes. She never said that getting rid of the chair was illegal and she never said that it was done in the past. E.Stanley takes over the meeting. MOTION: N. Moriarty MOVED to table the vote on the December 11, 2007 Minutes until after the January 8, 2008 court hearing. VOTE: 6.710/7.271/2.019/0. Motion to table fails. MOTION: N.Moriarty MOVED to amend to make sure to accept the revision for the Budget Committee only and require a vote of the School board. Fails for lack of SECOND. VOTE on amended Dec. 11, 2007Minutes: 10.660/0/5.506/0. Motion passes.    

 

3. Public Comments: E. Stanley asked that the Default Committee be placed on the agenda. N. Moriarty said that would be under Committee Governance.

 

      C. Kahn explained that in the minutes it states that early retirement ends and longevity kicks in. Longevity starts right away and would continue after the early retirement goes away.

 

      K. Cota commented on the action that was done at the last meeting. She commented that there continues to be bullying. She said that we have had joint meetings but when something happens it is a problem. She said that it is too bad that the vote on the new chair did not stand.

 

      J. Craig commented on the Fitzwilliam Newsletter, which made the hairs on the back of his neck stand up. He commented that many people feel there is not a common vision. He said that none of this is good for the students. He asked how many more default budgets could we have. He hoped that we could work collaboratively with direction.

 

      J. Johnson a retired teacher commented that the Fitzwilliam Newsletter said that she was getting paid even though she is not working. She said that she still is working for the best interest of the children. She has to second what J.Craig said about working together for a common goal. She asked if the Committee was going to accomplish anything at the next meeting for the good of the world.

 

      K.Craig was disappointed with the Fitzwilliam Newsletter. The article has the prospective of two people. She asked if the Budget Committee knew what was being written.

 

      J. Kenyon explained to N.Dion that the December 11, 2007 Meeting was not a coo. N.Moriarty stopped J. Kenyon’s comments and told him he was out of order. He said not to get into a debate.

 

4.      Committee Governance: Default Budget: E. Staley reported that the committee has gone through the information 7 times and they are bringing the recommendations to the entire Committee to be voted on. MOTION: E. Stanley MOVED to support adding 4 Aids to Mt.Caesar and 1 Special Ed. Teacher to the Default Budget. This has already been added to the budget. SECOND: T.Parker. DISCUSSION: These positions are requirements based on state requirements. VOTE: 16.0/0/0/0. Motion passes. J. Ells suggested that E.Stanley review information and would like to vote on the entire list not separately unless someone chooses. E. Stanley explained that in Special Ed. there is an increase from a 3.5 position to a 5.5 position. This is a Special Ed. requirement. The next item is the cost of $28,500.00, this is the difference for a move from a regular teacher to a Spec. Ed. teacher. The position is already in the default budget. The next change is eliminating an English teacher in the Middle School and making that teacher a Special Ed. Teacher. The Reading Improvement position in Troy is currently covered by the grant. The .5 position is currently in the budget. The 1.5 position is covered by the grant. There is a good possibility that the grant would be decreased. The Fitzwilliam Reading Improvement position is currently covered by the grant in the amount of $26,000.00. The 1.1 position is in the operating budget. The .4 is currently covered by the grant, which is unlikely to cover it next year. The next amount of $14,000.00 is to cover an existing position at MC2 this is from the previous budget. Reading Improvement District Wide will no longer be covered by the grant. J. Ells asked if the recommendations came with full support of the Default Committee. E.Stanely said yes. J. Fortson did not vote. MOTION: N.Dion. MOVED to accept the MC2 in the amount of $14,000.00 for an existing position already in the previous budget. SECOND: P. Stuhlsatz. DISCUSSION: N.Dion asked to have this voted separately because there is already too much in MC2 already. VOTE: 9.756/5.506/0.738/0. Motion passes. MOTION: E. Stanley MOVED to increase the 3.5 position to the 5.5 position in Spec. Ed. Aids which is a requirement. Approve the Reading Teacher currently covered by the grant but will probably not be covered next year at Troy Elementary. To approve the $26,000.00 no longer covered by the grant for Fitzwilliam. To approve $10,000.00 for a District Reading position which will no longer be covered by the grant next year. SECOND: T. Parker. VOTE: 15.262/0/0.738/0. Motion passes.  MOTION: E.Stanley MOVED that the Budget Committee accept the Default Budget as presented with the understanding that this number could be amended when going over the insurance items. There could be an increase or a decrease. On page 35 of 45 there is an error. The default budget would have to be increased by $26,818.00. The Budget Committee to accept the default budget in the amount of $30,122,052.47. SECOND: T. Parker. DISCUSSION: N.Moriarty has asked J. Fortson to review the insurance and the individual policies for the employees of the district. He commented that there was a substantial error before. VOTE: 15.262/0/0.738/0. Motion passes.  N. Moriarty and R. Smith thanked the Default Committee and J. Fortson for their work. 

 

5.      Support Staff Contract-Unified Front: J. Ells decided to place this on the agenda. He suggested that the committee take a vote prior to the Public Hearing and show a unified front. This is a suggestion for the committee to discuss. The School Board has approved the contracts and we need to show that we are all on the same page. N. Moriarty said that he has a problem voting before the public speaks. He does not feel that this body should vote. He said that he asked DRA and they said to vote after the meeting. J. Ells asked for a discussion not a vote. J. Tommila understands what J.Ells is asking to discuss. He said that any member of this committee could speak as a citizen. J. Ells commented that if we all speak differently at the microphone we all look disgruntle and a group at odds. The public won’t know what to do. E. Stanley commented that if the vote is in the negative it works the same way. J. Tommila commented that if we do not allow individuals to speak we are taking away free speech. P. Richmond commented that the committee should present a united front. Now the public does not see us that way. N. Moriarty suggested that those members that are not going to support go to the microphone and do not do it as a Budget Committee Member. T. Parker commented that he does not believe that every person has to support the contracts just because the rest do. We are elected separately from our community. This is a slippery slop that he can not go along with. J. Ells commented that Robert’s Rules of Order states that after the debate the losers must cheerfully support the membership. P. Stuhlsatz said that as the Roxbury rep. he would express his opinion. The right to free speech. There is not a blood oath that says you need to follow the vote of the committee.

 

6.      Superintendent’s Comments: K.Dassau informed the committee that he would be passing out the information on the vacant seats on the School Board and the Budget Committee. He would be passing out the Fitzwilliam Newsletter and the draft contract language on the teachers and the support staff.  K.Dassau read some of the by-laws of the Budget Committee. N. Moriarty verified that they were the by-laws the Budget Committee is following. He read as follows: all powers lie in their action as a cooperative body, Roberts Rules states that the prevailing structure when possible should not be paralyzed if not sure, not on agenda items maybe brought up by the committee if agreed upon and that all members treat each other and all present with respect.

 

He reminded the members that there is a scheduled joint meeting on Jan. 8, 2008 one of convenience.

 

K. Chambers would be handing out the matrix requested by N. Moriarty. She would also be handing out the draft of the warrant articles as of today. This is what the School Board is proposing. The last two pages are an alternate and the School Board has not decided which one they would be using. K. Chambers explained the proposed warrant articles to the Budget Committee. She explained the roof warrant and the Maintenance Article. She explained that there is not just a change in the expenditures but the revenues. She explained that she is not 100% confidence on the tax impact information. She said that one of the forty factors could change the number significantly. She said to use caution, it is not fixed in stone and that it is only an estimate. N. Dion commented on the rate for Troy. She explained that there are several calculations that occur to get to that number. J. Gomarlo asked between now and March what variables would be known. K. Chambers said that the ADM and the equalized value would be released. K. Chambers explained that the increase is due to the Surry Withdrawal, which has a 3.5%-4% increase on the towns, the state equitable education drop the surplus and other factors. Even if it were a level budget or a below level budget you would have an increase. The surplus is the primary factor. It was asked if Surry would have a vote on the 2008-2009 budget. C.Lothrop explained that she had been abstaining on the motions that deal with the budget.

 

K.Chambers had hoped that the Budget Committee would provide a number tonight to put in the warrant. The committee has not given her an affirmative number. N. Moriarty said that whatever number is floating around put in the School Board’s number. He would recommend use whatever number you have. N. Moriarty would recommend that the Budget Committee not vote. MOTION: J. Kenyon MOVED to recommend the Budget Committee approve the amount of $32,098,502.00 for the warrant article. SECOND: P. Stuhlsatz. DISCUSSION: Understanding that the number would change with the will of the voters. N. Moriarty commented that this number would get us to the Public Hearing. VOTE: 7.771/3.149/4.810/0. Motion passes.   

 

K.Dassau commented that he would like to structure the Jan. 8, 2008 Joint Meeting. In case there is action an agenda from the School Board and the Budget Committee is needed. The meeting was scheduled to discuss the contracts and any other items. N. Moriarty asked what would happen. K.Chambers explained that there may be action items and the School Board may have issues about the warrant draft. N. Moriarty commented that he does not want to have a vote. K.Dassau commented that there would be an issue of a quorum. One body has to have a quorum. N. Moriarty said that he would not be publishing an agenda item to have the Budget Committee vote. N. Moriarty asked the purpose of the joint meeting. K. Dassau explained the purpose of the meeting was to discuss contract language and any other business. N. Moriarty said that there would not be a Budget Committee Meeting on the 8th of January. J. Ells asked N. Moriarty if he does not want the Budget Committee to go to the meeting and not vote. N. Moriarty said that there is no meeting. The reason for the meeting was to have the contracts in hands, which we now do. J. Ells commented that it is a scheduled meeting. It was mentioned that the January 8, 2008 Meeting is to have the opportunity for the School Board and the Budget Committee to clarify any information given out. N. Moriarty said that the Budget Committee Members could attend the meeting and ask questions as citizens. J. Ells asked how the rest of the committee felt about N. Moriarty’s decision. N. Moriarty commented that it is a joint meeting but not a Budget Committee Meeting. J. Tommila and T. Parker are not able to make the Jan. 8, 2008 Meeting. J. Ells commented that Jan. 8, 2008 is an election day and would like a consensus to see who can attend the meeting. N. Moriarty explained that in his opinion you have to have a Budget Committee to have votes. We can discuss issues at the School Board Meeting.

 

7.      Chair Comments: N. Moriarty stated that he does not attack people. He commented about the bully statement J. Gomarlo had made. She commented that she actually said more than that and wished they were in the minutes. You as the Budget Committee sit there and wait for the questions to be asked. He said that he asked the questions. He said again that he does not personally attack anyone.

 

8.   Public Comments: D. Connell commented that the budget and warrant numbers are outrageous. The middle class would be taking a large bite. When does the district look at the taxpayers? You people better start getting on board.

 

K. Cota commented that everyone should have been aware that D. Connell was taping the meeting. MC2 was video taping the meeting. She said that she is appauled with the disrespect and the lack of cooperation. It is shameful. You should be ashamed. People have been interrupted time and time again.

 

P. Richmond commented that N. Moriarty is a bully. She ran for this office to make a change. She would urge everyone who would agree with J. Gomarlo and J. Ells to make changes and run for office. We need people to run and help us here.

 

J. Ells commented that people have referred to us as cowardly. People that say those things said it was planned.  N. Moriarty voted out just happened. J. Gomarlo made the motion and J. Ells agreed. It was a reflection of a majority of the people present. It was not cowardly.

 

J. Gomarlo leaves the meeting and N. Moriarty leaves the table.

 

T. Parker explained the Fitzwillaim Newsletter. He said that they look very carefully at what they say. They want all the people in the town to know what is going on. If we have misstated anything it should be brought to our attention. We do not speak on behalf of the Budget Committee. The information comes from the meetings.

Angelina Bousa, a student at MC2 from Hinsdale thanked the Budget Committee for letting her speak. She suggested that the committee review Roberts Rules because there seems to be a lot of confusion. Get everyone on the same page.

 

K. Craig responded to T. Parker. She said that at times community members have written statements to the Fitzwilliam Newsletter and they have not been accepted. There may be some facts in the article but many opinions of the writer of the article. She would encourage the writers to ask questions of the administration. It is very upsetting that the people in Fitzwilliam read and take it as the truth. She suggested that the writers of the article take the minutes of the Budget Committee Meetings and put them in the Newsletter.

 

C. Kahn commented on the early retirement. Asked that the Budget Committee be a little clearer on the teacher’s contracts. Early retirement will continue if the contracts are voted down. How does the committee feel? You need to clarify this.

 

David Gyon of Fitzwilliam invited the Budget Committee to MC2 and see what is actually being done. He said that there is a lot of fighting in this room and disagreement. There are poor behavior chooses being made.

 

J. Craig commented that J. Tommila and T. Parker are 2 of the most influential people in the town of Fitzwilliam. If they do not support the budget a default budget will be voted on in Fitzwilliam. It is stated that 45% of the 7th graders are not reading at level. If that is true than we need to impact the budget. That number astounds him but if it is true we need to do something to the budget.

 

J. Kenyon thanked J. Ells and E. Stanley for the last meeting. He fully believed that the vote was on experience and not spontaneous.

 

W. Lechlider asked how T. Parker represents himself in the Fitzwilliam Newsletter. T. Parker said that he is a representative to Fitzwilliam but not a representative of the Budget Committee.

 

J. Tommila thanked J.Craig. We do have a deficiency whether it is 48% or 37% or 45%. We need to address this. The Special Ed. is growing because we have students moving up that do not have reading skills. What we print we can support. We have the facts. This is a thankless job and this is a very uncomfortable meeting. We welcome to be challenged.

 

David Gyon informed the committee that this meeting will go on line.

 

R.Bauries said that it is interesting to him that an email said that J. Gomarlo joined the Budget Committee in order to get rid of N. Moriarty. He commented that he does like J.Ells. He has stayed away from the Budget Committee and School Board Meetings for a while but nothing has changed. He commented that if the contract does not pass it will cost an additional $100,000.00. There are problems with the contracts. It is said not to be retroactive but the first year they get three steps. The School Board did not vote for the teacher’s contracts. They got them last night. You have to read the contract to know what it is. The Budget Committee may want to rubber stamp and you would get the same results. Next year there is a huge building program. Whatever you approve it goes up bigger for the next 3 or 4 years. You need to look at these things.

 

E. Kaplan commented on the by-laws of the committee that state that a selectmen or town official can not be representative on the Budget Committee. The step raises are not retroactive. It places the teacher where they should be with no additional money. The contract meets everybody’s needs. Realistically there are 2 options. To vote for the contract and the employee would be paying more in health insurance premium and the early retirement will eventually disappear. If you do not vote for the contract it stays in effect at the most the employee would be paying 10% of the health insurance premium and early retirement would continue. The Taxpayers Association has gotten what they have asked for. We are giving what the district needs. There is no third option.

 

R. Bauries commented that he and J. Ells have a different of opinion. People can not afford an increase in taxes.

 

J. Ells suggested taking the energy to Concord.

 

9.   MOTION to adjourn. MOTION: T. Parker MOVED to adjourn the meeting at 9:35PM. SECOND: J. Tommila. VOTE: Unanimous for those present. 

 

Respectfully submitted,

 

 

 

Laura L. Aivaliotis

MRSD Recording secretary